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« on: January 12, 2007, 10:07:48 AM » |
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I was looking around and was able to find some turbo cams for the H23 by Crower. My application will be 11psi on 14b on a stock H23A1. Anyone have any good or bad experiences with Crower Cams? Can anyone offer any other ideas? I also am looking into an upgraded oil cooler. Is this necessary?
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2poor2tune
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« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2007, 03:05:45 PM » |
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i dont think the oil cooler is needed. but would also be a good upgrade on any car
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fiveSFE
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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2007, 04:07:34 PM » |
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Can anyone offer any other ideas? Are you running it internally gated? You should upgrade to an external gate, the stock wastegate on dsm's tend to creep up with the boost, with a honda that can be very bad. |
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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2007, 04:09:17 PM » |
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Well, from my experience, crower makes high quality parts. I'm rockin' a set of crower valvetrain in my head, that held up past 13,000 RPM. Unfortunately, a crank journal cracked.. but my valvesprings kept my valves from kissing my pistons. From that day on, I really, really loved crower. An Oil Cooler would always be helpful. Cooler oil is more resistant to thermal breakdown, which in turn is better for your motor. |
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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2007, 04:37:56 PM » |
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what trim is a 14b. im pretty sure its a little to small for a h22/23. arent they good single slammer turboes. correct me if im wrong please
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Hanzo
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« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2007, 04:57:14 PM » |
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I know its a really small turbo. Really I just want to see how it works out (and if or not I can successfully boost the H23). I am running a completely stock 2g eclipse manifold and turbo so that inludes stock wastegate. I will definately be upgrading as soon as everything is on and things are working properly. I know Scott has that nice .50 trim sitting in the shop but clearance may be an issue without doing a smaller radiator. I already have to grind a little piece of the block down to get it to fit. Maybe a Full Race manifold in the near future.... Ive been reading more about Crower and think that is the route I will be going. The price is good too. Thanks for the input!
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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2007, 05:55:25 PM » |
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haha io think that my old 50 trim. the xs power one? its cheap but i have heard good and bad things about xs power. i heard yuo shouldent even but that turbo on a b series so im guessing it would be rediculus on a h series. probly spooled at idle. haha no but seriously the power should fall off in the mid rpms i bet but dont know for sure. still learing all this turbo stuff. my car should be done soon. i have said that 5000 times but it will get done soon.
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Hanzo
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« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2007, 06:34:58 PM » |
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It's all one big project that never ends. I was so close to wrapping this up but everyday I find something else I "need". Im really just doing this one to learn about boost but I want to do it right. About XS Power I haven't heard good things on CB7Tuner. The guy who bought my lude decided to throw 15 pounds on the H22 with the Ebay special kit....  that thing is going to blow. Anyway back on topic, I need to get in there with a measuring tape because I would really like to go 16g after this is all done and boosting successfully. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2007, 02:38:17 AM » |
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on my old b16 i had to cut out part of the webbing on the block for it to fit right. it was with a to4e and a xs gayness manifold. it was tucked in there nice. i probly could have used the stock radiator. i really dont know i forgot but im gonna get this crap all done in one day hopfully. all i have to do is some cutting and welding then wire the vafc. retard the timing a little and give it a base tune untill i can have somone experienced tune it. then drive it around and beat hopfully somone lol.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2007, 04:16:47 AM » |
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14b is a stock 90 to 94 dsm turbo... a few of the bigger companies have gotten into the 10s with that turbo on a built motor.. but thats pushing the limits of the turbo to find its breaking point.... in a dsm it takes about 430 to 460 hp to make a high 10.....now in a lighter honda it should take alot less hp ..... like they say..bigger is NOT!! allways better..lol
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2007, 03:13:32 PM » |
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it does seem that the 14b is a bit small for most dual cam honda engines, it'll run out of steam up on top. I say bolt it on though, see how it goes, then upgrade in the future.
we had to cut the webbing on the block on my friend gsr also, he is turnning a turbonetics 50 trim wit the turbonetics manifold, the 14b is much smaller so i dont think that you should have any clearence issues, especially if your using the stock manifold. mitsu designed the turbo and manifold to sit kinda far away from the block to clear the water pipe.
did you have to modify the manifold at all to fit on the h22? ive seen it done on hmt a couple times, but never really read much on it.
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Hanzo
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« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2007, 03:54:31 PM » |
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Yes I do have the grind the webbing just a little bit. I am actually bolting this one to a H23. I chose this motor specifically because it was non VTEC, sealed deck, lower compression and good torque, seemed like a good candidate for a turbo. I dont know if many have done this here and with this I hope to bring something to the Accord world (even though I toally respect NA H22's). The manifold's holes have to be enlarged a tad to fit, but it has been done many times elsewhere (how someone had the crazy idea to do this Ill never know LoL). I just found my injectors too!!! SOOO CLOSE!!
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« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2007, 02:49:52 AM » |
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cool. get some pics of yur setup up here and maybe plans for the car and describe the setup.
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Hanzo
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« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2007, 10:22:39 AM » |
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Well I found the injectors on CB7tuner and some other things I needed to wrap the project up. I am waiting for my chips from xenocron so I can ship my P06 out to be chipped. Meanwhile, my intercooler piping, intercooler, and oil return kit (stealthmode) came in and I cleaned up the turbo a lot better and high temp sprayed the manifold (yeah I know its going to chip but I couldnt stand that rust color LoL). I also picked up a book on boost.... It was saying that a smaller turbo is going to spool faster but instead of a steady increase of power across the RPM range, it will pretty much hit you will all it has straight away. Apparently the manufacturers did this so they could boast loads of torque on their turbo cars. My plans are to upgrade as soon as this is all together and working properly. Tuning is going to be crucial and its something Ive yet to learn... to be continued
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« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2007, 04:56:14 PM » |
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lets hope that turbo can hold power all the way threw the rpm's. but xenocron is cool i have heard good things about them and bouht my own obd-0 pr3 base map and socketing chip threw them then chipped my ecu and did a bad job so that sucked. but the vafc and retarded timing at idle should work for now on my setup. all i need is a welder and a grinder and im good. just need to get those things going
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